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		<title>By: ShaunCG</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2007/10/04/is-space-the-third-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4182</link>
		<dc:creator>ShaunCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I may have been reading something into your first comment that wasn&#039;t there. It had been a long week. My apologies. 

Moving on, re.:
&quot;NASA has spent roughly 618 billion 2007 dollars over the last 49 years, roughly the same amount we’ve spent on resource wars in the last 5 years.&quot;

This is incorrect, given that the Iraq occupation alone has, to date, cost &lt;i&gt;at least&lt;/i&gt; two trillion dollars. 

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-002/$File/rwp_06_002_Bilmes_SSRN.pdf

Doesn&#039;t change your argument, but just wanted to note that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I may have been reading something into your first comment that wasn&#8217;t there. It had been a long week. My apologies. </p>
<p>Moving on, re.:<br />
&#8220;NASA has spent roughly 618 billion 2007 dollars over the last 49 years, roughly the same amount we’ve spent on resource wars in the last 5 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is incorrect, given that the Iraq occupation alone has, to date, cost <i>at least</i> two trillion dollars. </p>
<p><a href="http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-002/$File/rwp_06_002_Bilmes_SSRN.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-002/$File/rwp_06_002_Bilmes_SSRN.pdf</a></p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t change your argument, but just wanted to note that. <img src='http://futurismic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Reagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Reagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely on the idea that a space elevator is key to making near Earth space operations financially feasible.  It also eliminates the vast majority of the danger associated with getting waste products into space.

&quot;To be honest, I don’t think we’re going to reach the technological level to mine asteroids or the moon.
Perhaps we should start a rumor that Al Queda is hiding out in the asteroid belt?&quot;

I would kinda disagree here -- in my mind, it&#039;s just a matter of investing money in basic and applied research.  NASA has spent roughly 618 billion 2007 dollars over the last 49 years, roughly the same amount we&#039;ve spent on resource wars in the last 5 years.  And as inefficient as they are, NASA has accomplished some amazing things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_budget

&quot;Also, let’s not act all smug and try to score points by pretending something silly, like “environmentalists” being some homogeneous mass of clueless rubes.&quot;

I wasn&#039;t aware that I did that.  Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely on the idea that a space elevator is key to making near Earth space operations financially feasible.  It also eliminates the vast majority of the danger associated with getting waste products into space.</p>
<p>&#8220;To be honest, I don’t think we’re going to reach the technological level to mine asteroids or the moon.<br />
Perhaps we should start a rumor that Al Queda is hiding out in the asteroid belt?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would kinda disagree here &#8212; in my mind, it&#8217;s just a matter of investing money in basic and applied research.  NASA has spent roughly 618 billion 2007 dollars over the last 49 years, roughly the same amount we&#8217;ve spent on resource wars in the last 5 years.  And as inefficient as they are, NASA has accomplished some amazing things.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_budget" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_budget</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Also, let’s not act all smug and try to score points by pretending something silly, like “environmentalists” being some homogeneous mass of clueless rubes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware that I did that.  Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomas Martin</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2007/10/04/is-space-the-third-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4149</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomas Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem that was always quoted to me about taking garbage into space was that there&#039;s a huge danger if even a small percentage suffers problems in transit out of the atmosphere - a container of nuclear or biological waste breaks open in atmo and there&#039;s a huge amount of clearing up to do.

Having said that, the prospect of mining asteroids and helium is I think very much appealing. With things like Iron and such it&#039;s not really worth it right now but in twenty years or so the cost of precious metal catalysts like Platinum will have sky-rocketed as many of the new alternative fuel technologies need them. One asteroid rich in that metal could provide as much as the whole earth&#039;s supply as far as some metals are concerned. The trick to be making it to be affordable would be to use some form of robotic probe or imaging technique to be certain which rocks are worth having before making the costly journey out to the asteroid belt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem that was always quoted to me about taking garbage into space was that there&#8217;s a huge danger if even a small percentage suffers problems in transit out of the atmosphere &#8211; a container of nuclear or biological waste breaks open in atmo and there&#8217;s a huge amount of clearing up to do.</p>
<p>Having said that, the prospect of mining asteroids and helium is I think very much appealing. With things like Iron and such it&#8217;s not really worth it right now but in twenty years or so the cost of precious metal catalysts like Platinum will have sky-rocketed as many of the new alternative fuel technologies need them. One asteroid rich in that metal could provide as much as the whole earth&#8217;s supply as far as some metals are concerned. The trick to be making it to be affordable would be to use some form of robotic probe or imaging technique to be certain which rocks are worth having before making the costly journey out to the asteroid belt.</p>
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		<title>By: ShaunCG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShaunCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:

At present I don&#039;t believe we have the technology to efficiently transport waste out of Earth&#039;s gravity well and then into the Sun, or to transport asteroid-mined raw materials back down to Earth. We get a space elevator built, then we&#039;ll talk about these fabulous solutions. 

Also, let&#039;s not act all smug and try to score points by pretending something silly, like &quot;environmentalists&quot; being some homogeneous mass of clueless rubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:</p>
<p>At present I don&#8217;t believe we have the technology to efficiently transport waste out of Earth&#8217;s gravity well and then into the Sun, or to transport asteroid-mined raw materials back down to Earth. We get a space elevator built, then we&#8217;ll talk about these fabulous solutions. </p>
<p>Also, let&#8217;s not act all smug and try to score points by pretending something silly, like &#8220;environmentalists&#8221; being some homogeneous mass of clueless rubes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Eades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Eades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been a big fan of sending our nuclear waste into the sun.

On the other hand, I have to disagree with David in comment #1.  If mining asteroids were economically feasible, we&#039;d probably be doing it already.  I think the technology isn&#039;t there to do it.  Not yet, at least.  We still have a long, long way to go.

To be honest, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re going to reach the technological level to mine asteroids or the moon.  I think if we want to reach that point, we need to develop enough technology to keep our civilization alive long enough to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been a big fan of sending our nuclear waste into the sun.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I have to disagree with David in comment #1.  If mining asteroids were economically feasible, we&#8217;d probably be doing it already.  I think the technology isn&#8217;t there to do it.  Not yet, at least.  We still have a long, long way to go.</p>
<p>To be honest, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re going to reach the technological level to mine asteroids or the moon.  I think if we want to reach that point, we need to develop enough technology to keep our civilization alive long enough to get there.</p>
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