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		<title>By: Doop</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2008/01/04/wifi-flu/comment-page-1/#comment-17129</link>
		<dc:creator>Doop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hows about simple ad injection like some public hotspots already have... Shoot, I can already see it. DD-WRT + LinkToAds + a little contagion magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hows about simple ad injection like some public hotspots already have&#8230; Shoot, I can already see it. DD-WRT + LinkToAds + a little contagion magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Sleek1</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2008/01/04/wifi-flu/comment-page-1/#comment-15761</link>
		<dc:creator>Sleek1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am afraid that you underestimate the maliciousness and stupidity of script kiddies and 12 year geeks who get picked on too much at school.  It will probably last MUCH longer than 4 weeks.  They are the ones that do not care to make a profit; its more about tipping the scales of power in their favor, as they are thouroughly unable to do so in real life. 

BEWARE THE TEN YEAR OLDS!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am afraid that you underestimate the maliciousness and stupidity of script kiddies and 12 year geeks who get picked on too much at school.  It will probably last MUCH longer than 4 weeks.  They are the ones that do not care to make a profit; its more about tipping the scales of power in their favor, as they are thouroughly unable to do so in real life. </p>
<p>BEWARE THE TEN YEAR OLDS!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hack124x768</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2008/01/04/wifi-flu/comment-page-1/#comment-15679</link>
		<dc:creator>hack124x768</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this could be a big issue. Simply poisoning the nameserver entries (usually assigned by DHCP from your ISP) could redirect all DNS requests (i.e. Where&#039;s google.com? Oh, it&#039;s over there at 64.233.167.99? Great, Thanks!) to a server pointing at a bunch of phishing sites, or at best a proxy that adds ads to each site visited (Some ISPs already do this, cheeky bastards) where there is a LOT of money. This attack wouldn&#039;t even require a firmware hack or modification. I could write a shell script to do this using freely available default password lists in about 10 minutes per major manufacturer. This is just the money side, for actual attacks and such there is a lot more fun to be had, but it&#039;s a bit more complicated than I want to get into. Scary stuff eh? (I&#039;m off to lock down my router now :p )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this could be a big issue. Simply poisoning the nameserver entries (usually assigned by DHCP from your ISP) could redirect all DNS requests (i.e. Where&#8217;s google.com? Oh, it&#8217;s over there at 64.233.167.99? Great, Thanks!) to a server pointing at a bunch of phishing sites, or at best a proxy that adds ads to each site visited (Some ISPs already do this, cheeky bastards) where there is a LOT of money. This attack wouldn&#8217;t even require a firmware hack or modification. I could write a shell script to do this using freely available default password lists in about 10 minutes per major manufacturer. This is just the money side, for actual attacks and such there is a lot more fun to be had, but it&#8217;s a bit more complicated than I want to get into. Scary stuff eh? (I&#8217;m off to lock down my router now :p )</p>
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		<title>By: forkbomber</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2008/01/04/wifi-flu/comment-page-1/#comment-15678</link>
		<dc:creator>forkbomber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t see the huge danger here, let me explain my point of view.

if a virus get&#039;s to your router, they can&#039;t connect to other routers (at least, most routers can&#039;t, they should have to find a way to your own computer, spread a virus there and use the computer to connect to another router... most routers can&#039;t connect directly to other routers (yet)
another point, is that most routers are very limited in capasity, making it impossible to install full mailservers or proxy servers that relay your web trafic.

one thing the IS dangerous is the possibility there already is for anarchist, just to spread chaos: they can just drive through the city with a laptop sending the virus to all different routers, which could then take over other machines... but i still believe they will need someone to spread it first, router-to-router interaction seems very unlikely...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t see the huge danger here, let me explain my point of view.</p>
<p>if a virus get&#8217;s to your router, they can&#8217;t connect to other routers (at least, most routers can&#8217;t, they should have to find a way to your own computer, spread a virus there and use the computer to connect to another router&#8230; most routers can&#8217;t connect directly to other routers (yet)<br />
another point, is that most routers are very limited in capasity, making it impossible to install full mailservers or proxy servers that relay your web trafic.</p>
<p>one thing the IS dangerous is the possibility there already is for anarchist, just to spread chaos: they can just drive through the city with a laptop sending the virus to all different routers, which could then take over other machines&#8230; but i still believe they will need someone to spread it first, router-to-router interaction seems very unlikely&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2008/01/04/wifi-flu/comment-page-1/#comment-15673</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People forget that &quot;internet&quot; routers includes the one in your home. If that&#039;s compromised, you&#039;re prone to every &quot;man in the middle&quot; attack conceivable.

Windows updates which permanently install backdoors or trojans, the ability to silently snag personal info without needing to redirect to fraudulent sites(make the router the end point of any https sessions and forward the decrypted page to the computer so all personal info is transmitted unprotected), &#039;local loop&#039; vulnerability scanning to instantly infect new Windows installs; you name it, they could do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People forget that &#8220;internet&#8221; routers includes the one in your home. If that&#8217;s compromised, you&#8217;re prone to every &#8220;man in the middle&#8221; attack conceivable.</p>
<p>Windows updates which permanently install backdoors or trojans, the ability to silently snag personal info without needing to redirect to fraudulent sites(make the router the end point of any https sessions and forward the decrypted page to the computer so all personal info is transmitted unprotected), &#8216;local loop&#8217; vulnerability scanning to instantly infect new Windows installs; you name it, they could do it.</p>
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