Comments on: IQ and Poverty http://futurismic.com/2008/07/11/iq-and-poverty/ Presenting the fact and fiction of tomorrow since 2001 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:03:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tom Marcinko http://futurismic.com/2008/07/11/iq-and-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-15604 Tom Marcinko Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:07:32 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=3613#comment-15604 Well, the "born dumb regardless of ethnic group" hypothesis seems hard to argue with. But even among people not so bright, was there a waste of inborn potential somewhere along the line? Mark me down as a radical nurturist, I guess. "No child left behind but we really mean it," says a hypothetical candidate I would vote for. Well, the “born dumb regardless of ethnic group” hypothesis seems hard to argue with. But even among people not so bright, was there a waste of inborn potential somewhere along the line? Mark me down as a radical nurturist, I guess. “No child left behind but we really mean it,” says a hypothetical candidate I would vote for.

]]> By: TJ http://futurismic.com/2008/07/11/iq-and-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-15601 TJ Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:21:28 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=3613#comment-15601 "The race/IQ debate should have been buried long ago but seems to be fueled by people bent on keeping it alive." Well yes. But the problem isn't necessarily connected with race - Orr is pointing out that some people are born stupid (sorry for the bluntness - I could hedge by saying "born with a predisposition to score less than average in tests of certain narrowly defined areas of cognitive ability" but that would have less impact...). These people are at a disadvantage compared to smarter people (I can't find any reliable references online but I'm pretty sure IQ correlates with things like future earning potential/salary). But this is a separate question from any discussion of race and intelligence, which I know even less about. Also: Tom the Dancing Bug looks brilliant! “The race/IQ debate should have been buried long ago but seems to be fueled by people bent on keeping it alive.”

Well yes. But the problem isn’t necessarily connected with race – Orr is pointing out that some people are born stupid (sorry for the bluntness – I could hedge by saying “born with a predisposition to score less than average in tests of certain narrowly defined areas of cognitive ability” but that would have less impact…).

These people are at a disadvantage compared to smarter people (I can’t find any reliable references online but I’m pretty sure IQ correlates with things like future earning potential/salary).

But this is a separate question from any discussion of race and intelligence, which I know even less about.

Also: Tom the Dancing Bug looks brilliant!

]]> By: Tom Marcinko http://futurismic.com/2008/07/11/iq-and-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-15585 Tom Marcinko Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:36:28 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=3613#comment-15585 ...sorry, I was beating the hell out of my keyboard... I was trying to say: I do have a problem with that …sorry, I was beating the hell out of my keyboard…
I was trying to say:
I do have a problem with that

]]> By: Tom Marcinko http://futurismic.com/2008/07/11/iq-and-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-15584 Tom Marcinko Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:28:27 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=3613#comment-15584 At the risk of sounding painfully politically correct, I do have a problem with that "either through genes" part. The race/IQ debate should have been buried long ago, but ` At the risk of sounding painfully politically correct, I do have a problem with that “either through genes” part. The race/IQ debate should have been buried long ago, but `

]]> By: Michelle http://futurismic.com/2008/07/11/iq-and-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-15523 Michelle Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:51:25 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=3613#comment-15523 Freiman talks of a similar concept in Current Events, conservative Outcomes. Freiman writes a chapter called social darwinism where he talks about the new more educated economy and the necessity of post high school eductation. He also believes that the gap between the wealthy and middle class will grow as many Americans will choose to stay out of college because it is not for them. Unfortunately the good paying jobs will continue to be more and more based around higher education and skill levels. You can see some of his concepts at www.gafreiman.com Freiman talks of a similar concept in Current Events, conservative Outcomes. Freiman writes a chapter called social darwinism where he talks about the new more educated economy and the necessity of post high school eductation. He also believes that the gap between the wealthy and middle class will grow as many Americans will choose to stay out of college because it is not for them. Unfortunately the good paying jobs will continue to be more and more based around higher education and skill levels. You can see some of his concepts at http://www.gafreiman.com

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