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	<title>Comments on: NEW FICTION: HOMEOSTASIS by Carlos Hernadez</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Marcinko</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2009/07/01/new-fiction-homeostasis-by-carlos-hernadez/comment-page-1/#comment-63160</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marcinko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You decide,&quot; indeed. And that wacky cardinal! 

The family dynamics and the kids&#039; reactions all rang true, and made this story poignant. Very effective use of the snapshot technique, too.

Mr. Hernandez just published &quot;Fembot&quot; on DayBreak, which is set in this &quot;universe&quot; and is even more ambitious, IMO:

http://daybreakmagazine.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/daybreak-fiction-fembot/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You decide,&#8221; indeed. And that wacky cardinal! </p>
<p>The family dynamics and the kids&#8217; reactions all rang true, and made this story poignant. Very effective use of the snapshot technique, too.</p>
<p>Mr. Hernandez just published &#8220;Fembot&#8221; on DayBreak, which is set in this &#8220;universe&#8221; and is even more ambitious, IMO:</p>
<p><a href="http://daybreakmagazine.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/daybreak-fiction-fembot/" rel="nofollow">http://daybreakmagazine.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/daybreak-fiction-fembot/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belated comment: Good stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belated comment: Good stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Jetse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jetse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Science can make the legs of a dead frog dance by running electricity through them. But that does mean dead frogs like to dance.”

I think that should read: “But &lt;i&gt;does that&lt;/i&gt; mean dead frogs like to dance?”

Apart from that, short, sharp, nice and effective. Thought-provoking. And quite a few writers I see in the slushpile could use Carlos&#039;s brevity. Some stories are soooooo bloated.

Anyway, the philosophical zombie and the Chinese Room: not sure what the story alludes to here. I see several possibilities:

1)   The hardware is changed, but the software is still the same (old Greg = New Greg);
2)   The hardware is changed, but the software is different (Old Greg ≠ New Greg);
3)   The hardware is changed, but the software is different *because* it had to fit the new hardware;
4)   The hardware is changed, and while the software was originally the same, it changed because of some added enhancements, such as perfect recall, more computing power, and so on;

Carlos, smart writer that he is, leaves that for the reader to work out. Personally, I suspect option 4 is closest to the story.

Comes the $64 million question: does the new Greg have &lt;i&gt;intentionality&lt;/i&gt;, is he conscious, does he have a ‘soul’? It’s as if Carlos had John Searle and Daniel Dennett have it out through Angela and Bonnie.

The story title hints at the most probable interpretation: 

Homeostasis: a relatively stable state of equilibrium or a tendency toward such a state between the different but interdependent elements or groups of elements of an organism, population, or group; 

Which would hint that the mind of the ‘new’ Greg is now in a new equilibrium with his body. And possibly also that the ‘new’ Greg has finally reached a new equilibrium with his surrounds (his family, his job). And finally, possibly, that the ‘new’ Greg has a consciousness, will, intentionality and, well, ‘soul’ that is now in a new equilibrium with his new hardware.

Basically, what it comes down to – I think – is that the question ‘can a machine – let’s call it ‘Artificial Intelligence’ of the strong kind – have intentionality/a consciousness/a soul?’ is answered by Greg’s actions:

—Would a ‘soulless automaton’ try so very hard to get through to his son?
—Would a ‘soulless automaton’ be so gentle and caring with his daughter?

The clincher is here:

“Two months later, Greg slides into third during a company softball game. It’s a close call. They give it to him because nobody can believe he can play softball at all. But it is a legitimate close call. Even if he hadn’t been stabbed in the head and now needed a computer to keep him alive, it could have gone either way.”
If the call is so close, that it doesn’t make a difference, then there *is* no difference. Both old and new Greg are human, have intentionality, have consciousness, have a ‘soul’ (for lack of a better term).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Science can make the legs of a dead frog dance by running electricity through them. But that does mean dead frogs like to dance.”</p>
<p>I think that should read: “But <i>does that</i> mean dead frogs like to dance?”</p>
<p>Apart from that, short, sharp, nice and effective. Thought-provoking. And quite a few writers I see in the slushpile could use Carlos&#8217;s brevity. Some stories are soooooo bloated.</p>
<p>Anyway, the philosophical zombie and the Chinese Room: not sure what the story alludes to here. I see several possibilities:</p>
<p>1)   The hardware is changed, but the software is still the same (old Greg = New Greg);<br />
2)   The hardware is changed, but the software is different (Old Greg ≠ New Greg);<br />
3)   The hardware is changed, but the software is different *because* it had to fit the new hardware;<br />
4)   The hardware is changed, and while the software was originally the same, it changed because of some added enhancements, such as perfect recall, more computing power, and so on;</p>
<p>Carlos, smart writer that he is, leaves that for the reader to work out. Personally, I suspect option 4 is closest to the story.</p>
<p>Comes the $64 million question: does the new Greg have <i>intentionality</i>, is he conscious, does he have a ‘soul’? It’s as if Carlos had John Searle and Daniel Dennett have it out through Angela and Bonnie.</p>
<p>The story title hints at the most probable interpretation: </p>
<p>Homeostasis: a relatively stable state of equilibrium or a tendency toward such a state between the different but interdependent elements or groups of elements of an organism, population, or group; </p>
<p>Which would hint that the mind of the ‘new’ Greg is now in a new equilibrium with his body. And possibly also that the ‘new’ Greg has finally reached a new equilibrium with his surrounds (his family, his job). And finally, possibly, that the ‘new’ Greg has a consciousness, will, intentionality and, well, ‘soul’ that is now in a new equilibrium with his new hardware.</p>
<p>Basically, what it comes down to – I think – is that the question ‘can a machine – let’s call it ‘Artificial Intelligence’ of the strong kind – have intentionality/a consciousness/a soul?’ is answered by Greg’s actions:</p>
<p>—Would a ‘soulless automaton’ try so very hard to get through to his son?<br />
—Would a ‘soulless automaton’ be so gentle and caring with his daughter?</p>
<p>The clincher is here:</p>
<p>“Two months later, Greg slides into third during a company softball game. It’s a close call. They give it to him because nobody can believe he can play softball at all. But it is a legitimate close call. Even if he hadn’t been stabbed in the head and now needed a computer to keep him alive, it could have gone either way.”<br />
If the call is so close, that it doesn’t make a difference, then there *is* no difference. Both old and new Greg are human, have intentionality, have consciousness, have a ‘soul’ (for lack of a better term).</p>
<p>As always, YMMV&#8230;;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Schwan</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2009/07/01/new-fiction-homeostasis-by-carlos-hernadez/comment-page-1/#comment-37445</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Schwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the powerful, straightforward prose. It&#039;s all story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the powerful, straightforward prose. It&#8217;s all story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jetse</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2009/07/01/new-fiction-homeostasis-by-carlos-hernadez/comment-page-1/#comment-37414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jetse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!

(Non-CGP people can ignore this comment, and I&#039;ve just downloaded the story &amp; get back to this thread after I&#039;ve read it...;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!</p>
<p>(Non-CGP people can ignore this comment, and I&#8217;ve just downloaded the story &amp; get back to this thread after I&#8217;ve read it&#8230;;-)</p>
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