Comments on: Tobias Buckell takes down vertical farming http://futurismic.com/2009/10/16/tobias-buckell-takes-down-vertical-farming/ Presenting the fact and fiction of tomorrow since 2001 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:03:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kwashimi http://futurismic.com/2009/10/16/tobias-buckell-takes-down-vertical-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-50056 Kwashimi Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:11:01 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=9286#comment-50056 Actually, $150 billion is chicken feed to the new US President Obama. And if it isn't chickenfeed now, it soon will be at the rate the US dollar is crashing under the new regime. If it is less than a $trillion, it is not worth discussing in the higher halls of US government. Actually, $150 billion is chicken feed to the new US President Obama. And if it isn’t chickenfeed now, it soon will be at the rate the US dollar is crashing under the new regime.

If it is less than a $trillion, it is not worth discussing in the higher halls of US government.

]]> By: khannea http://futurismic.com/2009/10/16/tobias-buckell-takes-down-vertical-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-49980 khannea Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:18:30 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=9286#comment-49980 So if we can reduce the construction costs of a normally highly tempered steel and concrete building by reducing it raw weight loading structure with labour/robotic content, less safety requirements, no amenities or structures for containing humans - essentially one giant box - where we create environments that are superior to open-environment hydroponifs or even spray-based aeroponics - where and when shall the two meet? Essentially when oil goes exit and electricity enters. Outdoors agriculture is based not just on transport and space - it is even more based on specialized seeds and fertillization. Imagine doubling the cost of either - the system starts with highly specialized genemod plants. You might want those in the environment for (!) IP reasons - or because they might inberbreed with natural strains. Or these crops might be extremely fragile. Intensifying folodstuff production (or animal production - they plan pigtowers here in the netherlands) in highrizes, concentrated closed environments. I can easily see this trend emerge on barren former suburban zones. After they tear down the malls and McMansions. So if we can reduce the construction costs of a normally highly tempered steel and concrete building by reducing it raw weight loading structure with labour/robotic content, less safety requirements, no amenities or structures for containing humans – essentially one giant box – where we create environments that are superior to open-environment hydroponifs or even spray-based aeroponics – where and when shall the two meet?

Essentially when oil goes exit and electricity enters. Outdoors agriculture is based not just on transport and space – it is even more based on specialized seeds and fertillization. Imagine doubling the cost of either – the system starts with highly specialized genemod plants. You might want those in the environment for (!) IP reasons – or because they might inberbreed with natural strains. Or these crops might be extremely fragile. Intensifying folodstuff production (or animal production – they plan pigtowers here in the netherlands) in highrizes, concentrated closed environments. I can easily see this trend emerge on barren former suburban zones. After they tear down the malls and McMansions.

]]> By: Paul Raven http://futurismic.com/2009/10/16/tobias-buckell-takes-down-vertical-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-49820 Paul Raven Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:46:14 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=9286#comment-49820 Thanks, Robert; I think what unites us is the belief that science fiction is at its best when used to question the future rather than make assumptions about it, and that's why - despite our disagreements - I'm glad you're a regular commenter here. :) Thanks, Robert; I think what unites us is the belief that science fiction is at its best when used to question the future rather than make assumptions about it, and that’s why – despite our disagreements – I’m glad you’re a regular commenter here. :)

]]> By: Robert Koslover http://futurismic.com/2009/10/16/tobias-buckell-takes-down-vertical-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-49817 Robert Koslover Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:34:12 +0000 http://futurismic.com/?p=9286#comment-49817 Most successful creative people will confess readily that most of their first-cut ideas (whether in art, science, engineering, literature, government, music, economics, etc) turn out to be BAD ones. A critical key to success in advancing new ideas is to recognize and reject the bad ideas quickly, thus clearing away the massive clutter and increasing one's odds of finding the true gems. Paul, I salute you and your colleagues for not merely bringing many new ideas to the readers of Futurismic, but for being willing to criticize (and accept criticism of) those ideas too. Most successful creative people will confess readily that most of their first-cut ideas (whether in art, science, engineering, literature, government, music, economics, etc) turn out to be BAD ones. A critical key to success in advancing new ideas is to recognize and reject the bad ideas quickly, thus clearing away the massive clutter and increasing one’s odds of finding the true gems. Paul, I salute you and your colleagues for not merely bringing many new ideas to the readers of Futurismic, but for being willing to criticize (and accept criticism of) those ideas too.

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