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	<title>Comments on: Ashok Banker wants to disassemble science fiction publishing</title>
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		<title>By: Callie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought Mr. Banker&#039;s book, Prince of Ayodhya at least, on Amazon...so...I don&#039;t know why others couldn&#039;t. Maybe it&#039;s only the SF that can&#039;t be bought outside of India... And he is right about the racism, and it exists in all of literature, not just SF/F. Whether others believe it or not. Be brown for a while and you will see. Just try it on, I dare you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought Mr. Banker&#8217;s book, Prince of Ayodhya at least, on Amazon&#8230;so&#8230;I don&#8217;t know why others couldn&#8217;t. Maybe it&#8217;s only the SF that can&#8217;t be bought outside of India&#8230; And he is right about the racism, and it exists in all of literature, not just SF/F. Whether others believe it or not. Be brown for a while and you will see. Just try it on, I dare you.</p>
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		<title>By: SMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denni:  I know he chooses to, but let&#039;s say that one of the big boys takes notice and says &quot;hey, we haven&#039;t published anyone from India and we really should.&quot;  If more people take the position that Mr. Banker has, then it wouldn&#039;t matter what changes in mind set were to occur; it would be like shooting oneself in the foot.

It just seems to me that if you have a problem with the system, the best way to fix it is to be active in the change, rather than excluding oneself from it entirely.  Mr. Banker likely has very personal, very good reasons for his personal exclusion, but such a practice isn&#039;t doing anything to change the way things are being done, at all.

That&#039;s my concern on that front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denni:  I know he chooses to, but let&#8217;s say that one of the big boys takes notice and says &#8220;hey, we haven&#8217;t published anyone from India and we really should.&#8221;  If more people take the position that Mr. Banker has, then it wouldn&#8217;t matter what changes in mind set were to occur; it would be like shooting oneself in the foot.</p>
<p>It just seems to me that if you have a problem with the system, the best way to fix it is to be active in the change, rather than excluding oneself from it entirely.  Mr. Banker likely has very personal, very good reasons for his personal exclusion, but such a practice isn&#8217;t doing anything to change the way things are being done, at all.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my concern on that front.</p>
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		<title>By: Denni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant to say Mr. Ashok Banker!</description>
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		<title>By: Denni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Mr. Ashok would have any problems finding a publisher in the US (and not a &#039;small press&#039; one either). It seems to me that he chooses not to.

I also think that big publishers had better wake up to the issue of implicit racism in publishing. It seems to me one of the last bastions of Fifties-style thinking. Time to be dragged into the twenty-first century, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Mr. Ashok would have any problems finding a publisher in the US (and not a &#8216;small press&#8217; one either). It seems to me that he chooses not to.</p>
<p>I also think that big publishers had better wake up to the issue of implicit racism in publishing. It seems to me one of the last bastions of Fifties-style thinking. Time to be dragged into the twenty-first century, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: SMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ve finally managed to get on here.  I&#039;ve had the hardest time connecting to Futurismic, so I want to say this while I still can.

Firstly, I would like to offer my apologies to Mr. Banker.  I agree that my reaction to refuse to buy your books was a wrong one to take.  I legitimately am interested in SF/F and fiction (and graphic novels, too) by authors from (living in or outside of) India, and I would really like to see your work, if only it were readily available in the States.  While I understand you dislike of our system, I do think you do yourself a bit of a disservice by refusing to publish, in some fashion, here in the States.  Aren&#039;t there any small press publishers you might want to work with, or something?  I think a part of breaking the system that you have clear issues with would be to make sure more people of color are pushing their work out there.  But that&#039;s besides the point here.

A lot of my initial reactions were born out of an exhaustion with the style of rhetoric being used to discuss this issue.  While I understand the anger and irritation, I think it has become clear that nothing is really getting done.  We&#039;re pissing people off, creating tension, etc., but all we&#039;re doing is making things even worse, in my opinion.  A lot of people who might be inclined to act are pushed out by the labeling and screaming (me included).  There&#039;s a point, I think, where the intentional creation of discomfort ceases to hold value.  We need action, collectively, from the community as a whole (or at least most of it).  There&#039;s more at work than just publishing, just editors, etc.  This is an enormous issue that will not be solved by attacking editors or publishers.

Anyway, I want to end this while I still can.  I&#039;d like to touch on other points, but I&#039;m unfortunately short of time this evening for Internet things, and I&#039;m not sure if Futurismic will work for me on another day.

So, yes, there&#039;s a problem.  Yes it needs solving.  I just don&#039;t personally see how we&#039;re solving a problem by being, as John says, &quot;uppity&quot; about it.  The issue is too big for us to have faces to blame.  Publishers do respond to consumers.  Maybe consumers need to start demanding more, but perhaps some of the root of the problem is with consumers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ve finally managed to get on here.  I&#8217;ve had the hardest time connecting to Futurismic, so I want to say this while I still can.</p>
<p>Firstly, I would like to offer my apologies to Mr. Banker.  I agree that my reaction to refuse to buy your books was a wrong one to take.  I legitimately am interested in SF/F and fiction (and graphic novels, too) by authors from (living in or outside of) India, and I would really like to see your work, if only it were readily available in the States.  While I understand you dislike of our system, I do think you do yourself a bit of a disservice by refusing to publish, in some fashion, here in the States.  Aren&#8217;t there any small press publishers you might want to work with, or something?  I think a part of breaking the system that you have clear issues with would be to make sure more people of color are pushing their work out there.  But that&#8217;s besides the point here.</p>
<p>A lot of my initial reactions were born out of an exhaustion with the style of rhetoric being used to discuss this issue.  While I understand the anger and irritation, I think it has become clear that nothing is really getting done.  We&#8217;re pissing people off, creating tension, etc., but all we&#8217;re doing is making things even worse, in my opinion.  A lot of people who might be inclined to act are pushed out by the labeling and screaming (me included).  There&#8217;s a point, I think, where the intentional creation of discomfort ceases to hold value.  We need action, collectively, from the community as a whole (or at least most of it).  There&#8217;s more at work than just publishing, just editors, etc.  This is an enormous issue that will not be solved by attacking editors or publishers.</p>
<p>Anyway, I want to end this while I still can.  I&#8217;d like to touch on other points, but I&#8217;m unfortunately short of time this evening for Internet things, and I&#8217;m not sure if Futurismic will work for me on another day.</p>
<p>So, yes, there&#8217;s a problem.  Yes it needs solving.  I just don&#8217;t personally see how we&#8217;re solving a problem by being, as John says, &#8220;uppity&#8221; about it.  The issue is too big for us to have faces to blame.  Publishers do respond to consumers.  Maybe consumers need to start demanding more, but perhaps some of the root of the problem is with consumers&#8230;</p>
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