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	<title>Comments on: Are zombies a proxy for the American Zeitgeist?</title>
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		<title>By: Babylon</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2009/11/02/are-zombies-a-proxy-for-the-american-zeitgeist/comment-page-1/#comment-52841</link>
		<dc:creator>Babylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to steampunk zombies personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to steampunk zombies personally.</p>
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		<title>By: rozele</title>
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		<dc:creator>rozele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the most compelling version, to me, applies to both vampires and zombies (which are definitely the critters with the strongest appeal right now, i&#039;d say, across a far wider range of subcultures than any steampunk trope).

both zombies and vampires are very blatant figures for the past.  for what u.s. culture (meaning mainly corporate culture-for-profit and state-sponsored culture) insists is dead and forgotten.  for the unfinished business of history that this country has always done its best to ignore.

this is pretty explicit in both genres from their beginnings.  here are a few examples:

- the conclusion of the original &quot;Night of the Living Dead&quot; and its echos of what white cops actually do to young black men (then and now);
- bram stoker&#039;s &quot;Dracula&quot;, with its xenophobic depiction of what happens when those on the margins of the empire come settle at its core (for a less bloodthirsty recent version of the Eastern peril, look at the &#039;polish plumber&#039; tv ads from a few years ago);
- &quot;Homecoming&quot; - dead veterans against the war;
- &quot;Twilight&quot;, reminding us all that abstinence education and other religiously-driven efforts to substitute paranoia for information do one thing well: kill people.

the question is: will folks in the u.s. only learn from the past when it crawls out of the grave and starts to eat them?  the evidence of the wars in afghanistan and iraq, of barely-subtler u.s. involvement in haiti and palestine and venezuela (and honduras?), of the current attempts to describe a bailout of the insurance industry as &quot;health care reform&quot;, etc. all suggest that even that may not be enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the most compelling version, to me, applies to both vampires and zombies (which are definitely the critters with the strongest appeal right now, i&#8217;d say, across a far wider range of subcultures than any steampunk trope).</p>
<p>both zombies and vampires are very blatant figures for the past.  for what u.s. culture (meaning mainly corporate culture-for-profit and state-sponsored culture) insists is dead and forgotten.  for the unfinished business of history that this country has always done its best to ignore.</p>
<p>this is pretty explicit in both genres from their beginnings.  here are a few examples:</p>
<p>- the conclusion of the original &#8220;Night of the Living Dead&#8221; and its echos of what white cops actually do to young black men (then and now);<br />
- bram stoker&#8217;s &#8220;Dracula&#8221;, with its xenophobic depiction of what happens when those on the margins of the empire come settle at its core (for a less bloodthirsty recent version of the Eastern peril, look at the &#8216;polish plumber&#8217; tv ads from a few years ago);<br />
- &#8220;Homecoming&#8221; &#8211; dead veterans against the war;<br />
- &#8220;Twilight&#8221;, reminding us all that abstinence education and other religiously-driven efforts to substitute paranoia for information do one thing well: kill people.</p>
<p>the question is: will folks in the u.s. only learn from the past when it crawls out of the grave and starts to eat them?  the evidence of the wars in afghanistan and iraq, of barely-subtler u.s. involvement in haiti and palestine and venezuela (and honduras?), of the current attempts to describe a bailout of the insurance industry as &#8220;health care reform&#8221;, etc. all suggest that even that may not be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Kian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that yeh Zombies are becoming very much a bandwagon with Zombie land and Zombie Strippers etc.  They were always very B-Movie esk for me.  Still I enjoy Left 4 Dead and the old Zombie films.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that yeh Zombies are becoming very much a bandwagon with Zombie land and Zombie Strippers etc.  They were always very B-Movie esk for me.  Still I enjoy Left 4 Dead and the old Zombie films.</p>
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		<title>By: Kian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zombies I&#039;m generally fine with.  Vampires on the other hand (or at least their modern incarnation) is doing my head in.

Steampunk I find can be very hit and miss. I agree with Heidi there isn&#039;t really that much of it and at the very least it hasn&#039;t hit the popular culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zombies I&#8217;m generally fine with.  Vampires on the other hand (or at least their modern incarnation) is doing my head in.</p>
<p>Steampunk I find can be very hit and miss. I agree with Heidi there isn&#8217;t really that much of it and at the very least it hasn&#8217;t hit the popular culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Cautrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi Cautrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;m just not looking around enough, but I truly don&#039;t find an overload of Steampunk.  Tor.com made October Steampunk month and I was honestly grateful, because I truly can&#039;t seem to find that much on Steampunk.  Perhaps my search engine skills are not where they should be if I&#039;m missing out on that much in regards to steampunk.

I will say I&#039;m overly sick of Zombies and Vampires, though.  Enough, we get it, you&#039;re dead and scary.  Next trope please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m just not looking around enough, but I truly don&#8217;t find an overload of Steampunk.  Tor.com made October Steampunk month and I was honestly grateful, because I truly can&#8217;t seem to find that much on Steampunk.  Perhaps my search engine skills are not where they should be if I&#8217;m missing out on that much in regards to steampunk.</p>
<p>I will say I&#8217;m overly sick of Zombies and Vampires, though.  Enough, we get it, you&#8217;re dead and scary.  Next trope please.</p>
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