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	<title>Comments on: Eradicate cruelty: &#8220;reprogram&#8221; predators</title>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2009/11/24/eradicate-cruelty-reprogram-predators/comment-page-1/#comment-145865</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James just has a good sense of humor, Chad!

&quot;What is more “natural” than the existence of predators and prey?&quot; Rick, I&#039;m going to assume that you live in an area that has been cleared of all predators except humans. Does that change your stance on this at all? The bears and mountain lions that most likely roamed around your house were natural, but we got rid of them a long time ago and have been chasing them to the corners of the Earth ever since. There are many reactions one could have to this idea, but to try to say that it&#039;s &quot;unnatural&quot; or that humans shouldn&#039;t do anything to interfere with what is left of nature is a bit laughable considering all that humans have already done in that vein. We&#039;re not dealing with what nature intended anymore, we&#039;re dealing with a human-managed world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James just has a good sense of humor, Chad!</p>
<p>&#8220;What is more “natural” than the existence of predators and prey?&#8221; Rick, I&#8217;m going to assume that you live in an area that has been cleared of all predators except humans. Does that change your stance on this at all? The bears and mountain lions that most likely roamed around your house were natural, but we got rid of them a long time ago and have been chasing them to the corners of the Earth ever since. There are many reactions one could have to this idea, but to try to say that it&#8217;s &#8220;unnatural&#8221; or that humans shouldn&#8217;t do anything to interfere with what is left of nature is a bit laughable considering all that humans have already done in that vein. We&#8217;re not dealing with what nature intended anymore, we&#8217;re dealing with a human-managed world.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Dawrst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Dawrst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.utilitarian-essays.com/suffering-nature.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I strongly support&lt;/a&gt; Pearce&#039;s basic suggestion that the “blind, pitiless indifference” of nature (to quote Richard Dawkins) ought urgently to be revised. However, I also agree with some commenters that reprogramming predators is infeasible any time soon without disastrous consequences. There may be better approaches altogether (like neuroengineering away the pain of being eaten) that would be more feasible, especially in the nearer term.

Because current humans can do little directly to address the problem, I think we should focus our efforts on just spreading the notion that the brutality of nature is unacceptable. I envision a society in which people find it obvious that the &quot;natural&quot; agony endured by, say, a frog being digested whole by a snake or an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abolitionist.com/reprogramming/elephant-hyenas.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elephant being chewed alive by hyenas&lt;/a&gt; is no more acceptable than the &quot;natural&quot; suffering of a child afflicted with malaria. I commend Pearce for helping to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.utilitarian-essays.com/suffering-nature.html" rel="nofollow">I strongly support</a> Pearce&#8217;s basic suggestion that the “blind, pitiless indifference” of nature (to quote Richard Dawkins) ought urgently to be revised. However, I also agree with some commenters that reprogramming predators is infeasible any time soon without disastrous consequences. There may be better approaches altogether (like neuroengineering away the pain of being eaten) that would be more feasible, especially in the nearer term.</p>
<p>Because current humans can do little directly to address the problem, I think we should focus our efforts on just spreading the notion that the brutality of nature is unacceptable. I envision a society in which people find it obvious that the &#8220;natural&#8221; agony endured by, say, a frog being digested whole by a snake or an <a href="http://www.abolitionist.com/reprogramming/elephant-hyenas.html" rel="nofollow">elephant being chewed alive by hyenas</a> is no more acceptable than the &#8220;natural&#8221; suffering of a child afflicted with malaria. I commend Pearce for helping to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick York</title>
		<link>http://futurismic.com/2009/11/24/eradicate-cruelty-reprogram-predators/comment-page-1/#comment-56993</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the PETA group that protested the name of Fishkill, NY.  The didn&#039;t know that the word &quot;kill&quot; in old Dutch meant &quot;creek&quot;.  And they never tried to find out.

Most of these idiots probably consider themselves to be espousing a more &quot;natural&quot; life.  What is more &quot;natural&quot; than the existence of predators and prey?

Have they given any thought to the secondary and tertiary effects of the changes they propose?  A truly horrendous cascade of unintended consequences.

Idiots, I say, idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the PETA group that protested the name of Fishkill, NY.  The didn&#8217;t know that the word &#8220;kill&#8221; in old Dutch meant &#8220;creek&#8221;.  And they never tried to find out.</p>
<p>Most of these idiots probably consider themselves to be espousing a more &#8220;natural&#8221; life.  What is more &#8220;natural&#8221; than the existence of predators and prey?</p>
<p>Have they given any thought to the secondary and tertiary effects of the changes they propose?  A truly horrendous cascade of unintended consequences.</p>
<p>Idiots, I say, idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we in 2nd grade James?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we in 2nd grade James?</p>
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		<title>By: Ananda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ananda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ve heard of this school of thought before. The next logical conclusion is of course that we could eradicate all suffering if everything is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ve heard of this school of thought before. The next logical conclusion is of course that we could eradicate all suffering if everything is dead.</p>
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